From B Nomic

Contents 1 Justice 1.1 Consultations 1.1.1 Consultation 1 1.1.2 Consultation 2 1.1.3 Consultation 3 1.1.4 Consultation 4 1.1.5 Consultation 5 1.1.6 Consultation 6 1.1.7 Consultation 7 1.1.8 Consultation 8 1.1.9 Consultation 9 1.1.10 Consultation 10 1.1.11 Consultation 11 1.1.12 Consultation 12 1.1.13 Consultation 13 1.1.14 Consultation 14 1.1.15 Consultation 15 1.1.16 Consultation 16 1.1.17 Consultation 17 1.1.18 Consultation 18 1.1.18.1 Question 1.1.18.2 Supplicant's reasoning 1.1.18.3 Answer 1.1.19 Consultation 19 1.1.20 Consultation 20 1.1.20.1 Question 1.1.20.2 Answer 1.1.20.3 Priest's Reasoning 1.1.21 Consultation 21 1.1.21.1 Question 1.1.21.2 Supplicant's reasoning 1.1.21.3 Answer 1.1.21.4 Priest's Reasoning 1.1.22 Consultation 22 1.1.22.1 Question 1.1.22.2 Answer 1.1.23 Consultation 23 1.1.23.1 Question 1.1.23.2 Answer 1.1.24 Consultation 24 1.1.24.1 Question 1.1.24.2 Answer 1.1.25 Consultation 25 1.1.25.1 Question 1.1.25.2 Answer 1.1.26 Consultation 26 1.1.26.1 Question 1.1.26.2 Answer 1.1.27 Consultation 27 1.1.27.1 Question 1.1.27.2 Answer 1.1.28 Consultation 28 1.1.28.1 Question 1.1.28.2 Answer 1.1.29 Consultation 29 1.1.29.1 Question 1.1.29.2 Answer 1.1.30 Consultation 30 1.1.30.1 Question 1.1.30.2 Answer 1.1.31 Consultation 31 1.1.31.1 Question 1.1.31.2 Answer 1.1.32 Consultation 32 1.1.32.1 Question 1.1.32.2 Answer 1.1.33 Consultation 33 1.1.33.1 Question 1.1.33.2 Answer 1.1.34 Consultation 34 1.1.34.1 Question 1.1.34.2 Answer 1.1.35 Consultation 35 1.1.35.1 Question 1.1.35.2 Answer 1.1.36 Consultation 68 1.1.36.1 Question 1.1.36.2 Answer 1.1.37 Consultation 36 1.1.37.1 Question 1.1.37.2 Answer 1.1.38 Consultation 37 1.1.38.1 Question 1.1.38.2 Answer 1.1.39 Consultation 38 1.1.39.1 Question 1.1.39.2 Answer 1.1.40 Consultation 39 1.1.40.1 Question 1.1.40.2 Answer 1.1.41 Consultation 40 1.1.41.1 Question 1.1.41.2 Answer 1.1.42 Consultation 41 1.1.42.1 Question 1.1.42.2 Answer 1.1.43 Consultation 42 1.1.43.1 Question 1.1.43.2 Answer 1.1.44 Consultation 43 1.1.44.1 Question 1.1.44.2 Answer 1.1.45 Consultation 44 1.1.45.1 Question 1.1.45.2 Answer 1.1.46 Consultation 45 1.1.46.1 Question 1.1.46.2 Answer 1.1.47 Consultation 46 1.1.47.1 Question 1.1.47.2 Answer 1.1.48 Consultation 47 1.1.48.1 Question 1.1.48.2 Answer 1.1.49 Consultation 48 1.1.49.1 Question 1.1.49.2 Answer 1.1.50 Consultation 49 1.1.50.1 Question 1.1.50.2 Answer 1.1.51 Consultation 50 1.1.51.1 Question 1.1.51.2 Answer 1.1.52 Consultation 51 1.1.52.1 Question 1.1.52.2 Answer 1.1.53 Consultation 52 1.1.53.1 Question 1.1.53.2 Answer 1.1.54 Consultation 53 1.1.54.1 Question 1.1.54.2 Answer 1.1.55 Consultation 54 1.1.55.1 Question 1.1.55.2 Answer 1.1.56 Consultation 55 1.1.56.1 Question 1.1.56.2 Answer 1.1.57 Consultation 56 1.1.57.1 Question 1.1.57.2 Answer 1.1.58 Consultation 57 1.1.58.1 Question 1.1.58.2 Answer 1.1.59 Consultation 58 1.1.59.1 Question 1.1.59.2 Answer 1.1.60 Consultation 59 1.1.60.1 Question 1.1.60.2 Answer 1.1.61 Consultation 60 1.1.61.1 Question 1.1.61.2 Answer 1.1.62 Consultation 61 1.1.62.1 Question 1.1.62.2 Answer 1.1.63 Consultation 62 1.1.63.1 Question 1.1.63.2 Answer 1.1.64 Consultation 63 1.1.64.1 Question 1.1.64.2 Answer 1.1.65 Consultation 64 1.1.65.1 Question 1.1.65.2 Answer 1.1.66 Consultation 65 1.1.66.1 Question 1.1.66.2 Answer 1.1.67 Consultation 66 1.1.67.1 Question 1.1.67.2 Answer 1.1.68 Consultation 67 1.1.68.1 Question 1.1.68.2 Answer 1.1.69 Consultation 69 1.1.69.1 Question 1.1.69.2 Answer 1.1.70 Consultation i 1.1.70.1 Question 1.1.70.2 Answer 1.1.71 Consultation 70 1.1.71.1 Question 1.1.71.2 Answer 1.1.72 Consultation 2*i 1.1.72.1 Question 1.1.72.2 Answer 1.1.73 Consultation 3*i 1.1.73.1 Question 1.1.73.2 Answer 1.1.74 Consultation 71 1.1.74.1 Question 1.1.74.2 Answer 1.1.75 Consultation 72 1.1.75.1 Question 1.1.75.2 Answer 1.1.76 Consultation 73 1.1.76.1 Question 1.1.76.2 Answer 1.1.77 Consultation 74 1.1.77.1 Question 1.1.77.2 Answer 1.1.78 Consultation 75 1.1.78.1 Question 1.1.78.2 Reasoning 1.1.78.3 Answer 1.1.79 Consultation 76 1.1.79.1 Question 1.1.79.2 Unbeliever 1.1.79.3 Answer 1.1.80 Consultation 77 1.1.80.1 Question 1.1.80.2 Answer 1.1.81 Consultation 78 1.1.81.1 Question 1.1.81.2 Unbeliever 1.1.81.3 Answer 1.1.82 Consultation 79 1.1.82.1 Question 1.1.82.2 Answer 1.1.83 Consultation 125 1.1.83.1 Question 1.1.83.2 Answer 1.1.84 Consultation 126 1.1.84.1 Question 1.1.84.2 Answer 1.1.85 Consultation 127

Justice

This page attempts to gather all information on the Justice proceedings of B Nomic. Unfortunately, as an artifact from Codae's experiment, it is sadly out of date. For more current information, see the Public Forum and BobTHJ's periodic updates.

Requests For Judgement from the old version of rule 2-5. It is currently undecided whether these Game Documents actually have any meaning anymore.

Consultations

Consultation 1

is it correct for Peter to assign himself 10 points for being the rule tag moderator on a day different from nday 1 ?

Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 2

Is it valid for an element change action to be submitted privately to the rule tag moderator?

Answered: TRUE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 3

Supposing a consultation is answered on nday 12, if the clock becomes stopped on nday 2, then does the consultation become pondered when the ndelay becomes 2 ?

Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 4

Supposing a player X sent a message to a public forum stating "the player known as X is the Administrator of B Nomic", would player X become the Administrator ?

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 5

If all Game Objects other than the Rules and the Player named Wonko were destroyed, would it be possible for me (the Supplicant of this Consultation) to become a Player?

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 6

Is there a Consultation with a Question of: {{a forum is invalid if it does not allow players to communicate.}}?

Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 7

A forum is invalid if it does not allow Players to communicate. True or False?

Answered FALSE, reversed, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 8

Public fora may not be designated via a game action. True or false?

Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 9

All Proposals created since Rule 2-2 was last amended have Proposal Numbers of null. True or false?

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 10

If all Game Objects other than the Player named Wonko were destroyed, would it be possible for me (the Supplicant of this Consultation) to become a Player?

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 11

True or false: Is Primo Corporation a player?

Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 12

Is a cooperation a single entity, capable of passing the Turing test?

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 13

True of false: Consultation #12 does not serve to prevent a corporation from becoming a player because it specifies that said corporation must pass "the Turing Test" instead of "a Turing Test"?

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 14

True or false: A Player need not be capable of passing a Turing Test in order to remain a player.

Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 15

The rules of B Nomic allow BobTHJ to act on behalf of the group of persons knows as "Primo Corporation", True of False ?

• Assigned to: Zach

False, Pondered ( full info)

Consultation 16

True or False: The Administrator (or other ruling or governing body) may cause an External Force which is also a Player to no longer be a Player if said Player can no longer meet the requirements to become a Player.

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 17

Supposing there are two Players, say A and B, where A is a single human being and B is a group of human beings that contains A, then if A and B vote for the same proposal only the most recent vote is counted. True or false ?

Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 18

• Supplicant: Antonio

Question

true or false: there exists a proposal numbered 105 ?

Supplicant's reasoning

I don't think that Zach's "fastness" proposal ever reached the public forum.

Answer

True, pondered ( full info)

Consultation 19

Empty (was submitted only to discussion forum)

Consultation 20

• Supplicant: bd_
• Assigned to: The Dave

Question

Is an organization or other group consisting of one human being, and behaving as that person orders, exactly equivalent to that person for the purposes of B Nomic?

Answer

TRUE, pondered

Priest's Reasoning

If the organization only has one human being as its membership, outside the context of B Nomic (and outside of most contexts except maybe the tax codes) that organization and its sole member would be considered equivalent.

This looks like a loophole begging to be exploited, but I don't believe this to be the case - if a one-member organization is equivalent to its sole member, then one cannot have multiple "voices" in B Nomic. (Rule 1-4 presently specifies that an External Force wishing to join may not already be a Player; if the human being is already playing, eir organization of one cannot join, and vice versa.)

The issue of multiple players combining to form an organization, thus gaining an unfair amount of representation within B Nomic, still exists, but it is not the subject of this consultation.

( full info)

Consultation 21

• Supplicant: Wonko
• Priest: Zach

Question

Humans cannot join B Nomic. True or False?

Supplicant's reasoning

One requirement for joining the game is that you be able to "pass the Turing Test". However, "the Turing Test" is clearly defined as a specific test for determining whether an artificial intelligence can successfully masquerade as a human. It follows that the only way a player can join is if e can demonstrate that e is A) an artificial intelligence, and B) indistinguishable from a human. However, if B) is true, then by definition there is no way to demonstrate A. It follows that nobody can become a player.

It nearly follows that there are no players and thus no game. However, several nyears ago a rule was created called the Statute of Limitations that retroactively legalized any statement made by the Administrator after 10 ndays passed with no objections. The Administrator (David E. Smith, at the time) referred to my existence as a player numerous times during this period. As I am the only player who has been playing continuously since before the repeal of the Statute of Limitations, it follows that I am currently the only player of B Nomic.

Answer

False, pondered ( full info)

Priest's Reasoning

Hmm. I would say that this is "TRUE" EXCEPT that recently my "Turing Test Disambiguation" passed. So, at the time that this was asked, the answer was TRUE, but the answer is now FALSE.

Which brings up a dilemma. Assuming that: A) at the time that this consultation was submitted, Humans could not join B.Nomic, and B) I am a human, and C) all-but-one of the voting populace of the Nomic are human (we have one self-willed non-human, last I checked), and D) Humans NEVER WERE able to join B.Nomic (explanation below) then no one (except for our non-human self-willed organism) has ever joined, By this logic, no rules have ever passed. Also by this logic, neither the supplicant, Oracle, nor I are players, so this email doesn't need to be written.

So, for the sake of everyone's sanity, I say that Humans ARE NOW and HAVE ALWAYS BEEN able to join this game.

My (final) answer is FALSE.

Consultation 22

• Supplicant: Antonio

Question

The Oracle (as of the time of this consultation) is Antonio

Answer

ZOTTED. ( full info)

Consultation 23

Supplicant: Zach

Priest: Peter

Question

Can the answer to a consultation have multiple answers (IE, the answer is sometimes TRUE and sometimes FALSE)?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 24

Supplicant: Zach

Question

Who is the current Rulekeeper (as mentioned in Rule 1-8, and nowhere else)?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 25

Submitted by: Zach

Priest: BobTHJ

Question

There is no current rulekeeper, as mentioned in rule 1-8 and not defined in the rules. True or false?

Answer

FALSE, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 26

Submitted by: Wooble

Priest: Antonio

Question

True or False: The Minister of Change's first set of results, discounting Primo's votes, are effective and eir second set of results, counting said votes, is ineffective.

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 27

Question

Is Primo Corporation a Faction?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 28

Question

Is Primo Corporation a Player?

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 29

Question

True or False: Any Player may join the faction Primo Corp regardless of the published rules by which Primo Corp is governed.

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 30

Question

True or False: a piece of paper can consent to X if a human being has written on the piece of paper "I consent to X".

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 31

Question

Prior to Consultations 27 & 28 becoming pondered Primo Corporation was a Player.

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 32

Question

Primo Corpotation never took any action that would forfeit its status as a Player nor did any other game action or rule cause Primo Corporation to cease to be a player.

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 33

Question

Primo Corporation never took any action that would cause it to become a Faction as per rule 5-2

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 34

Question

Agora is a Faction.

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 35

Question

Is the Blueprint for the Device named the "Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch" invalid because it had no authority to define Powers for the Device?

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 68

Question

In the event that a particular Game Action, which may be taken only without a certain number of Objections within a certain period of time, is successfully performed without said number of Objections, is this Game Action considered to have been performed at the time when it reached a Public Forum, or at the end of the Objection period?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 36

Question

Is a miniministry automatically vacated at the end of each nweek?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 37

Question

Can the Clock be started when a miniministry is vacant?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 38

Question

Are the two previous consultations currently known as Consultations 37 and 38 valid? [[Oracle's Note: Supplicant is referring to Consultations 36 and 37.]]

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 39

Question

Can the Association of Federated Organizations submit a Consultation?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 40

Question

In B Nomic, does explicit consent to being governed by an Agreement have to take place within B Nomic?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 41

Question

Is the MediaWiki software an Outsider?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 42

Question

The AFO is both a Player and a Faction at the same time, true or false?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 43

Question

There exists a Blueprint for a Cudgel and no Blueprint for a Rapier.

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 44

Question

Registrar Wooble does not have the power to allow Agora to become a player by Rule 1-4

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 45

Question

Is it true that any player can define a blueprint?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 46

Question

Can a player, other than the Artisan, own one or several blueprints?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 47

Question

Does a device (unique or not) need a corresponding, existing blueprint to be defined?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 48

Question

Can a game Object be both a Player and a Faction?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 49

Question

Does Registrar Wooble have the power to refuse Agora as a player by Rule 1-4?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 50

Question

Are Hose and Wooble the same entity?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 51

Question

If the Registrar attempts to refuse to allow an External Force to become a player after it has already become a player, does it thereby cease to be a player?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 52

Question

The AFO is a valid Faction as well as a player.

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 53

Question

Is "Dice Server" a Player?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 54

Question

Are there any rules for the game of B Nomic?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 55

Question

Is there a paradox with a Player being an Object?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 56

Question

Does the Panic Button belonging to the Player named Goethe have "X" written on it as of the time of submission of this Consultation?

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 57

Question

Is the Panic Button belonging to the Player named Wonko On as of the time of submission of this Consultation?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 58

Question

Is the Panic Button belonging to the Player named pikhq On as of the time of submission of this Consultation?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 59

Question

I write "X" on my Panic Button. is valid.

Answer

Zotted

( full info)

Consultation 60

Question

I give my Panic Button to Goethe. is valid.

Answer

Zotted

( full info)

Consultation 61

Question

I give my Panic Button to Wonko. is valid.

Answer

Zotted

( full info)

Consultation 62

Question

I press pikhq's Panic Button, turning it On. is valid.

Answer

Zotted

( full info)

Consultation 63

Question

Should the above Consultations, based on the Rules, be ZOTTED?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 64

Question

Question: Is it permissible to make any game actions?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 65

Question

Question: Is it permissible to go into a state of emergency?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 66

Question

Question: Is it permissible to answer a consultation?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 67

Question

Question: Is declaring Consultations 64, 65, and 66 for being irrelevant or otherwise unworthy valid?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 69

Question

Question: Does the Game Action of declaring a past Game Action invalid and thus causing it to have never happened require or force a retroactive change to the game state?

Answer

False, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation i

Question

Consultation 64: To turn one's Panic Button On if it is Off, or otherwise to turn it Off, is valid.

Answer

Zotted

( full info)

Consultation 70

Question

To spend 10 trout to purchase a yellow-orange Jester's Cap is valid.

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 2*i

Question

Does submitting or answering Consultation 70 count as "doing anything with trouts?"

Answer

Zotted

Consultation 3*i

Question

Does sending this message count as "doing anything with trouts?"

Answer

Zotted

Consultation 71

Question

Does there exist a rule named "Rules"?

Answer

Waiting

( full info)

Consultation 72

Question

Was Wooble a Player at the time this Consultation was submitted?

Answer

True, Waiting

(full info)

Consultation 73

Question

Is it possible to truthfully say that the Priest's answer to this Consultation will be in the affirmative, as of the time of submission of this Consultation?

Answer

ZOTTED

( full info)

Consultation 74

Question

Is Murphy a player?

Answer

Waiting

( full info)

Consultation 75

Question

Is there a Player whose name is Wooble?

Reasoning

When Wooble reregistered, he specified the nickname Wooble. The Rules state that a joining Player must specify a uniquely identifying name.

Answer

True, Waiting

( full info)

Consultation 76

Question

At the start of nday 10 of nweek 135, would it have been possible for the Rulekeeper to move Rule 3-13 into a different section of the Rules?

Unbeliever

0x44

Answer

Waiting

( full info)

Consultation 77

Question

The mailing list at spoon-notices@nomic.net is a Private Forum.

Answer

True, Waiting

( full info)

Consultation 78

Question

The rule identified as 6-8 at the time of this consultation's submission was amended by proposal number 219.

Unbeliever

Hose

Answer

True, Waiting

( full info)

Consultation 79

Question

Is the Ministry of Society a Game Object as of the time of submission of this Consultation?

Answer

Waiting

( full info)

Consultation 125

Question

In the case of a paradox in following the rules (e.g. a rule cannot be followed, because it would be against a rule to do so) is there a rule-defined course of action?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 126

Question

Is Charles currently the Minister of Law?

Answer

True, Pondered

( full info)

Consultation 127

Question: Is Wooble a Player?

Answer: Waiting

( full info)