Justice/OldArchive
From B Nomic
This page contains Consultations from previous eras of B Nomic. These have little relevance to the game now but have been kept as a historical record and because they form part of game custom. The new Archive containing CFJs can be found at Justice/Archive.
This page attempts to gather all information on the Justice proceedings of B Nomic. Unfortunately, as an artifact from Codae's experiment, it is sadly out of date.
Consultations
Consultation 1
is it correct for Peter to assign himself 10 points for being the rule tag moderator on a day different from nday 1 ?
Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 2
Is it valid for an element change action to be submitted privately to the rule tag moderator?
Answered: TRUE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 3
Supposing a consultation is answered on nday 12, if the clock becomes stopped on nday 2, then does the consultation become pondered when the ndelay becomes 2 ?
Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 4
Supposing a player X sent a message to a public forum stating "the player known as X is the Administrator of B Nomic", would player X become the Administrator ?
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 5
If all Game Objects other than the Rules and the Player named Wonko were destroyed, would it be possible for me (the Supplicant of this Consultation) to become a Player?
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 6
Is there a Consultation with a Question of: {{a forum is invalid if it does not allow players to communicate.}}?
Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 7
A forum is invalid if it does not allow Players to communicate. True or False?
Answered FALSE, reversed, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 8
Public fora may not be designated via a game action. True or false?
Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 9
All Proposals created since Rule 2-2 was last amended have Proposal Numbers of null. True or false?
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 10
If all Game Objects other than the Player named Wonko were destroyed, would it be possible for me (the Supplicant of this Consultation) to become a Player?
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 11
True or false: Is Primo Corporation a player?
Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 12
Is a cooperation a single entity, capable of passing the Turing test?
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 13
True of false: Consultation #12 does not serve to prevent a corporation from becoming a player because it specifies that said corporation must pass "the Turing Test" instead of "a Turing Test"?
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 14
True or false: A Player need not be capable of passing a Turing Test in order to remain a player.
Answered TRUE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 15
The rules of B Nomic allow BobTHJ to act on behalf of the group of persons knows as "Primo Corporation", True of False ?
- Assigned to: Zach
False, Pondered ( full info)
Consultation 16
True or False: The Administrator (or other ruling or governing body) may cause an External Force which is also a Player to no longer be a Player if said Player can no longer meet the requirements to become a Player.
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 17
Supposing there are two Players, say A and B, where A is a single human being and B is a group of human beings that contains A, then if A and B vote for the same proposal only the most recent vote is counted. True or false ?
Answered FALSE, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 18
- Supplicant: Antonio
Question
true or false: there exists a proposal numbered 105 ?
Supplicant's reasoning
I don't think that Zach's "fastness" proposal ever reached the public forum.
Answer
True, pondered ( full info)
Consultation 19
Empty (was submitted only to discussion forum)
Consultation 20
- Supplicant: bd_
- Assigned to: The Dave
Question
Is an organization or other group consisting of one human being, and behaving as that person orders, exactly equivalent to that person for the purposes of B Nomic?
Answer
TRUE, pondered
Priest's Reasoning
If the organization only has one human being as its membership, outside the context of B Nomic (and outside of most contexts except maybe the tax codes) that organization and its sole member would be considered equivalent.
This looks like a loophole begging to be exploited, but I don't believe this to be the case - if a one-member organization is equivalent to its sole member, then one cannot have multiple "voices" in B Nomic. (Rule 1-4 presently specifies that an External Force wishing to join may not already be a Player; if the human being is already playing, eir organization of one cannot join, and vice versa.)
The issue of multiple players combining to form an organization, thus gaining an unfair amount of representation within B Nomic, still exists, but it is not the subject of this consultation.
( full info)
Consultation 21
- Supplicant: Wonko
- Priest: Zach
Question
Humans cannot join B Nomic. True or False?
Supplicant's reasoning
One requirement for joining the game is that you be able to "pass the Turing Test". However, "the Turing Test" is clearly defined as a specific test for determining whether an artificial intelligence can successfully masquerade as a human. It follows that the only way a player can join is if e can demonstrate that e is A) an artificial intelligence, and B) indistinguishable from a human. However, if B) is true, then by definition there is no way to demonstrate A. It follows that nobody can become a player.
It nearly follows that there are no players and thus no game. However, several nyears ago a rule was created called the Statute of Limitations that retroactively legalized any statement made by the Administrator after 10 ndays passed with no objections. The Administrator (David E. Smith, at the time) referred to my existence as a player numerous times during this period. As I am the only player who has been playing continuously since before the repeal of the Statute of Limitations, it follows that I am currently the only player of B Nomic.
Answer
False, pondered ( full info)
Priest's Reasoning
Hmm. I would say that this is "TRUE" EXCEPT that recently my "Turing Test Disambiguation" passed. So, at the time that this was asked, the answer was TRUE, but the answer is now FALSE.
Which brings up a dilemma. Assuming that: A) at the time that this consultation was submitted, Humans could not join B.Nomic, and B) I am a human, and C) all-but-one of the voting populace of the Nomic are human (we have one self-willed non-human, last I checked), and D) Humans NEVER WERE able to join B.Nomic (explanation below) then no one (except for our non-human self-willed organism) has ever joined, By this logic, no rules have ever passed. Also by this logic, neither the supplicant, Oracle, nor I are players, so this email doesn't need to be written.
So, for the sake of everyone's sanity, I say that Humans ARE NOW and HAVE ALWAYS BEEN able to join this game.
My (final) answer is FALSE.
Consultation 22
- Supplicant: Antonio
Question
The Oracle (as of the time of this consultation) is Antonio
Answer
ZOTTED. ( full info)
Consultation 23
Supplicant: Zach
Priest: Peter
Question
Can the answer to a consultation have multiple answers (IE, the answer is sometimes TRUE and sometimes FALSE)?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 24
Supplicant: Zach
Question
Who is the current Rulekeeper (as mentioned in Rule 1-8, and nowhere else)?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 25
Submitted by: Zach
Priest: BobTHJ
Question
There is no current rulekeeper, as mentioned in rule 1-8 and not defined in the rules. True or false?
Answer
FALSE, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 26
Submitted by: Wooble
Priest: Antonio
Question
True or False: The Minister of Change's first set of results, discounting Primo's votes, are effective and eir second set of results, counting said votes, is ineffective.
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 27
Question
Is Primo Corporation a Faction?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 28
Question
Is Primo Corporation a Player?
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 29
Question
True or False: Any Player may join the faction Primo Corp regardless of the published rules by which Primo Corp is governed.
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 30
Question
True or False: a piece of paper can consent to X if a human being has written on the piece of paper "I consent to X".
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 31
Question
Prior to Consultations 27 & 28 becoming pondered Primo Corporation was a Player.
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 32
Question
Primo Corpotation never took any action that would forfeit its status as a Player nor did any other game action or rule cause Primo Corporation to cease to be a player.
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 33
Question
Primo Corporation never took any action that would cause it to become a Faction as per rule 5-2
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 34
Question
Agora is a Faction.
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 35
Question
Is the Blueprint for the Device named the "Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch" invalid because it had no authority to define Powers for the Device?
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 68
Question
In the event that a particular Game Action, which may be taken only without a certain number of Objections within a certain period of time, is successfully performed without said number of Objections, is this Game Action considered to have been performed at the time when it reached a Public Forum, or at the end of the Objection period?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 36
Question
Is a miniministry automatically vacated at the end of each nweek?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 37
Question
Can the Clock be started when a miniministry is vacant?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 38
Question
Are the two previous consultations currently known as Consultations 37 and 38 valid? [[Oracle's Note: Supplicant is referring to Consultations 36 and 37.]]
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 39
Question
Can the Association of Federated Organizations submit a Consultation?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 40
Question
In B Nomic, does explicit consent to being governed by an Agreement have to take place within B Nomic?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 41
Question
Is the MediaWiki software an Outsider?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 42
Question
The AFO is both a Player and a Faction at the same time, true or false?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 43
Question
There exists a Blueprint for a Cudgel and no Blueprint for a Rapier.
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 44
Question
Registrar Wooble does not have the power to allow Agora to become a player by Rule 1-4
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 45
Question
Is it true that any player can define a blueprint?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 46
Question
Can a player, other than the Artisan, own one or several blueprints?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 47
Question
Does a device (unique or not) need a corresponding, existing blueprint to be defined?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 48
Question
Can a game Object be both a Player and a Faction?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 49
Question
Does Registrar Wooble have the power to refuse Agora as a player by Rule 1-4?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 50
Question
Are Hose and Wooble the same entity?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 51
Question
If the Registrar attempts to refuse to allow an External Force to become a player after it has already become a player, does it thereby cease to be a player?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 52
Question
The AFO is a valid Faction as well as a player.
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 53
Question
Is "Dice Server" a Player?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 54
Question
Are there any rules for the game of B Nomic?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 55
Question
Is there a paradox with a Player being an Object?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 56
Question
Does the Panic Button belonging to the Player named Goethe have "X" written on it as of the time of submission of this Consultation?
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 57
Question
Is the Panic Button belonging to the Player named Wonko On as of the time of submission of this Consultation?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 58
Question
Is the Panic Button belonging to the Player named pikhq On as of the time of submission of this Consultation?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 59
Question
I write "X" on my Panic Button. is valid.
Answer
Zotted
( full info)
Consultation 60
Question
I give my Panic Button to Goethe. is valid.
Answer
Zotted
( full info)
Consultation 61
Question
I give my Panic Button to Wonko. is valid.
Answer
Zotted
( full info)
Consultation 62
Question
I press pikhq's Panic Button, turning it On. is valid.
Answer
Zotted
( full info)
Consultation 63
Question
Should the above Consultations, based on the Rules, be ZOTTED?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 64
Question
Question: Is it permissible to make any game actions?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 65
Question
Question: Is it permissible to go into a state of emergency?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 66
Question
Question: Is it permissible to answer a consultation?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 67
Question
Question: Is declaring Consultations 64, 65, and 66 for being irrelevant or otherwise unworthy valid?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 69
Question
Question: Does the Game Action of declaring a past Game Action invalid and thus causing it to have never happened require or force a retroactive change to the game state?
Answer
False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation i
Question
Consultation 64: To turn one's Panic Button On if it is Off, or otherwise to turn it Off, is valid.
Answer
Zotted
( full info)
Consultation 70
Question
To spend 10 trout to purchase a yellow-orange Jester's Cap is valid.
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 2*i
Question
Does submitting or answering Consultation 70 count as "doing anything with trouts?"
Answer
Zotted
Consultation 3*i
Question
Does sending this message count as "doing anything with trouts?"
Answer
Zotted
Consultation 71
Question
Does there exist a rule named "Rules"?
Answer
Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 72
Question
Was Wooble a Player at the time this Consultation was submitted?
Answer
True, Waiting
Consultation 73
Question
Is it possible to truthfully say that the Priest's answer to this Consultation will be in the affirmative, as of the time of submission of this Consultation?
Answer
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 74
Question
Is Murphy a player?
Answer
Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 75
Question
Is there a Player whose name is Wooble?
Reasoning
When Wooble reregistered, he specified the nickname Wooble. The Rules state that a joining Player must specify a uniquely identifying name.
Answer
True, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 76
Question
At the start of nday 10 of nweek 135, would it have been possible for the Rulekeeper to move Rule 3-13 into a different section of the Rules?
Unbeliever
0x44
Answer
Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 77
Question
The mailing list at spoon-notices@nomic.net is a Private Forum.
Answer
True, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 78
Question
The rule identified as 6-8 at the time of this consultation's submission was amended by proposal number 219.
Unbeliever
Hose
Answer
True, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 79
Question
Is the Ministry of Society a Game Object as of the time of submission of this Consultation?
Answer
Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 125
Question
In the case of a paradox in following the rules (e.g. a rule cannot be followed, because it would be against a rule to do so) is there a rule-defined course of action?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 126
Question
Is Charles currently the Minister of Law?
Answer
True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 127
Question: Is Wooble a Player?
Answer: True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 128
Question: Is the OCB the Game Object representing the projection into B Nomic of Agora's Beast?
Answer: FALSE, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 129
Question: Does a Priest's Answer of YES, NO, or PARADOX to a Consultation assigned to him have any effect on the game after the Consultation has become pondered, assuming there were not more claims of Inconsistency than claims of Consistency?
Answer: True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 130
Question: At the time of submission of this consultation, is the player named Charles the only player with a Baby Blue sock?
Answer: True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 131
Question: Is it true that, since the time proposal 485 Passed, C Nomic has been identical to B Nomic?
Answer: True, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 132
Question: Is a ZIP file a legal Game Document?
Answer: Maybe, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 133
Question: Did comex, within the first 2 hours (UTC) of October 10th, 2008, submit a Transaction to spoon-business which read, in its entirety (please ignore spacing and returns): {{The name of the game is C Nomic. I forfeit the game.}} ?
Answer: ZOTted
( full info)
Consultation 134
Question: Has ehird violated Section 3 of the Contract of Epimenides?
Answer: ZOTted
( full info)
Consultation 135
Question: Are parties bound by the plaintext of contracts whose stated text is in some sort of encrypted form?
Answer: No, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 136
Question: Does an otherwise legal action that purports to "retroactively simulate" something have any effect on the gamestate?
Answer: False, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 137
Question: Are the Officers of CPA2 obligated to remove the restrictions on mackerel transfers imposed by cTC?
ZOTted
( full info)
Consultation 138
Question: Does comex's Corporation (his first one), at the time of this Consultation's submission, possess m50?
Answer: No, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 139
Question: If a player is assigned a fine in macks (thus enabling em to destroy that number of macks), is e thus able to destroy macks e does not own?
Answer: No, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 140
Question: Are Private Fora Game Objects?
Answer: Yes, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 141
Question: Is Hillary Rodham Clinton a Legal Entity, either as an External Force or as an Outsider?
Answer: No, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 142
Question: Are all players paranoid?
Answer: No, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 143
Question: Is it currently Winday?
Answer: ZOTTED ( full info)
Consultation 144
Question: Did Monstrou become a player on or about Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:13:26 -0800?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 145
Question: Does Monstrou's consent constitute "Monstrous Consent" for the purpose of Rule 4E88 and/or 5E88 (The Monster)?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 146
Question: Is the mailing list at spoon-business@nomic.net a Public Forum for B Nomic?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 147
Question: Is the Operantly Conditioned Beast a Player?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 148
Question: Presuming one corporation (hereafter called Party A) is an officer of another corporation, when Party A becomes obligated to perform an unambiguous Game Action by a Contract, is that Game Action performed as if Party A had sent it to the public forum?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 149
Question: Does SafeCorp (the version that ehird created and joined on or about Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:46:42 +0000) obligate any player to perform any unambiguous Game Action?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 150
Question: Can mental states be altered in a transaction?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 151
Question: Is Wooble a PEP?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 152
Question: Did Era 5 start?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 153
Question: Is Charles on Square (0,0) ?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 154
Question: Is Codae the validly-assigned Priest for Consultations 152 and 153?
Answer: ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 155
Question: Did Jay violate the rules by turning the clock on in the above-quoted message?
Answer: Yes, Pondered
Punishment: 10 macks
( full info)
Consultation 156
Question: At the time of this Consultation's submission, is it currently nday 2?
Answer: Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 157
Question: There is a Player that is not a Bum.
Answer: Yes, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 158
Question: Did JamesB violate Rule 5E38 by posting commercial spam to the Public Forum in the above-quoted message and elsewhere?
Answer: No, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 159
Question: Is the answer to this consultation NO?
Answer: Paradox, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 160
Question: Is the MoM ever allowed to turn the Clock On?
Answer: Yes, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 161
Question: Does the question from Consultation 159 have to do with a matter of interpretation of the rules?
Answer: No, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 162
Question: Did Warrigal have at least m10000 when this Consultation was submitted?
Answer: Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 163
Question: Does teucer have any mackerel?
Answer: Yes, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 164
Question: Are mackerel fungible?
Answer: Yes, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 165
Question: Does there exist a square with the color (255,255,255)?
Answer: Yes, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 166
Question: Were any mackerel successfully destroyed by the Pencil Sharpener?
Answer: No, Pondered
( full info)
Consultation 167
Question: Did the Pencil Sharpener do anything at all?
Answer: No, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 168
Question: Are the answers to Pondered Consultations correct, after the Consultations become Pondered?
Answer: No, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 169
Question: Do the answers to Pondered Consultations become correct when the Consultations become Pondered?
Answer: No, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 170
Question: Do Pondered Consultations create precedents that affect how to accurately judge other Consultations?
Answer: Yes, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 171
Question: Ten seconds before the Clock most recently became On, was the MoM allowed to turn it on?
Answer: No, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 172
Question: The e-mail entitled "ram" (sent by ehird) is spam. ehird is therefore in contravention of Rule 58.
Answer: Yes, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 173
Question: Are ndays Game Objects?
Answer: No, Waiting
( full info)
Consultation 178
Question: Can players submit Tweaks by posting them to a Public Forum?
ZOTTED
( full info)
Consultation 179
Question: Is an e-mail address described to a person by specifying domain and MD5 checksum, but not account name (e.g. describing cabal@jaycampbell.com as "the address at jaycampbell.com with MD5 checksum 4dcd83b0338eaee8e8f8196f34095d18"), reasonably accessible to that person (as required of Emergency Fora by Rule 5E0)?
Answer: Yes, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 180
Question:
>> I intend, without objection, to
>> nkeplwgplxgioyzjvtxjnncsqscvntlbdqromyeyvlhkjgteaqnneqgujjpwcbyfrpueoydjjk.
Is the above quoted message spam?
Answer: No, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 181
Question: Did j violate the rules by failing to destroy his m10 fine punishment in a Jiffy?
Answer: Yes, bail of m50, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 182
Question: Did comex break the rules by submitting the contract "Suffocation"?
Answer:
( full info)
Consultation 183
Question: Are there Active Players, other than comex, in the Game of B Nomic?
Answer: Yes, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 184
Question: Are there any Mackerel formerly owned by ehird?
Answer: No, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 185
Question: Are the Mackerel formerly owned by ehird now owned by Nobody?
ZOTTED.
( full info)
Consultation 186
Question: Did Warrigal violate any of his obligations under the Ministry of Questions?
Answer: No, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 187
Question: Did j violate the rules by turning the clock on?
Answer: Yes, Bail of m25 and a Term of one nweek, Pondered.
( full info)
Consultation 9999+i
Question: Is the External Force formerly known as ehird still a Player?
Answer: False, Waiting.
( full info)
Consultation 189
Question: Is it true that consultations have the power to affect the gamestate, once they have been Pondered?
Answer: Waiting.
( full info)
Consultation 190
Question: Is Fred an External Force?
Answer: Yes, Waiting.
( full info)
Consultation 191
Question: Is it possible for a Player to forfeit in the past, by submitting in the present a message that he does so?
Answer: Yes, Waiting.
( full info)
Consultation 192
Question: May a Player now submit a tweak?
ZOTTED.
( full info)
Consultation 193
Question: Did J destroy all of the game's mackerel save his own?
Answer: No, Waiting.
( full info)